There was a recent ripple in our community that should probably be cleared up -- because I can only see it as a cascading series of misunderstandings.
As far as I know, it began with @Pe7er posting a new answer to How to manage multiple Joomla sites and their updates.
Then a short discussion ensued under the answer. Some of these comments have since been deleted, but for context and accuracy, I will display them all in chronological order with absolutely no doctoring.
Why are you commenting on a 2014 question, 7 year old question? Sounds like an advertisement to me. There are ZERO GDPR issues using mySites.guru or any other SaaS. We operate secure and FULLY LEGAL service in compliance with international law. We are not processing your clients personal data, we are interested in the CODE that powers the site, not the DATA in the database. The only people peddling the lies about GDPR compliance are the yoursites.net team.
This topic was displayed when I clicked on "Questions". I commented on a 2014 question because that's how Joomla Stack Exchange works: when you see a topic that can be improved, improve it.
@phil taylor your defensiveness sounds like an advertisement
@PhilTaylor I wish more people would "necropost" on JSE -- this would help to ensure that old content is relevant, safe, viable, and current. We must never avoid answering an old question when we have something valuable and unique to offer -- this is not Joomla Forum where old threads get locked. If you find that an old page/post can use improvement/clarification, please suggest an edit -- this only improves content for researchers. If there are no inaccuracies in Pe7er's answer, then I see no cause for debate under his answer.
@PhilTaylor If you are motivated to dispel any false claims about a product, and civilly editing the post will be effective, please do that. If you want to leave a comment under an answer to express that you see some unfair biasing, okay. Outside of that, recommendations are allowed on JSE (after being mulled over by this community) but there are some concerns. A couple of good meta posts: joomla.meta.stackexchange.com/q/64/12352 and joomla.meta.stackexchange.com/a/41/12352 If you ever want to discuss the rightfulness of a post, it may be best to ask on Joomla Meta.
If moderators want to make false legal claims about our service and product then maybe I should take it higher and have them removed as a moderator. Easily done.
@jdog My "defensiveness" comes from having to - repeatedly - dismiss the false accusations and claims that such a SaaS is illegal and not in compliance with international law by those that use that stance/tactic to promote one over another. Im now up to winning FIVE legal cases against my product and my name, and I have lost ZERO cases. Two even settled out of court in our favour. Using mySites.guru doesn't "share" your websites data with the SaaS, and there is no third party involvement, there are no GDPR compliance issues either - its all lies and I will defend my name/service.
@mickmackusa Im sorry that you feel there are no inaccuracies in Pe7er's answer. 1) When you connect a site to mySites.guru you DON'T share your websites data 2) No third parties have access to your data, the mySites code is GPL and not encrypted, you can review it yourself. It does only what its coded to do. 3) We are in full compliance with all international laws including GDPR. So there are three things wrong with his answer.
@Phil I assure you that I have absolutely zero knowledge of the services being referenced on this page or the rules behind GDPR. My advice was to civilly suggest an edit if appropriate. I don't know you, Phil, nor do I know who you work for / what you do / what you know. My attention remains on the content on this page while keeping cool heads among our community members. I am a moderator, not an SME. Please always play your part in whistleblowing when something is not right. I always do, and appreciate anyone else doing the same.
LMAO - you say you dont know me... yet you are moderator for a Joomla Stack Exchange... I suggest you do some research then, I'm one of the oldest (currently the number one code contributor) contributor to Joomla Core.... I should not have to patrol and edit factually incorrect false information about the services I provide being posted here and then be accused of editing commercial disagreements. I always call out bullshit when I see it. That's why I'm hated.
The good news for me is that I don't need to know anyone personally to do an effective job of moderating (especially in this case). I have read Pe7er's answer a few times now and I see no cause for you to be triggered. He is not taking any shots at other services. He begins by mentioning two services, then proceeds to express why he favours a third -- this is a completely valid and sensible contribution. If you feel that his answer infers or implies something that is false, then... you are welcome to use any available tools to add clarity/accuracy to this page. As for needing to "patrol and edit factually incorrect false information", well, I'm sorry to disappoint you but humans must patrol other humans until AI has developed enough to replace us. Questionable advice hits the Stack Exchange Network every day by the thousands. Most of the time contributors are unaware of why their contribution is questionable/bad. We rely on Subject Matter Expects (SMEs) to vet, filter, correct, whistleblow. This is why it is imperative that you contribute in constructive ways -- for the benefit of others. I can certainly relate to what you are saying about being hated for calling things out. There are just some scenarios where it only sounds contrived to offer negative feedback inside of a "positivity burger". The truth is that many people in the php pool on Stack Overflow wish I wasn't there. But if I wasn't then the quality of the content and the researcher experience would be worse. I don't see any evidence that people hate you on JSE, but the fact remains that this place will be worse off with fewer whistleblowers such as yourself. @PhilTaylor
Before posting that last comment, I found that @PhilTaylor had edited his own answer from years ago to add the text ", and on another occasion, was a guest at his own wedding!".
Then @PhilTaylor said via comment:
And with that pathetic editing of my answer yet again - Im done with @mickmackusa as a moderator and Joomla Stack Exchange. What better recommendation can their be than a personal recommendation, proved by attendance at the developers wedding - that is totally relevant to the reply Dont bother replying...
@PhilTaylor then turned to Twitter to say:
So someone asked if @akeebabackup was secure on @StackOverflow
I answered and said it was, that that @sledge812 was a nice guy and that I attended his wedding
Moderators deleted my "recommendation" as being off topic.
er.... Im done with Stack Overflow. Again.
I have every intention of adding an answer which explains the actions that I took (when I find more time), but I feel that it is important that the whole story exist for public review. Anyone is free to post an answer which:
- Tries to clarify where the misunderstanding are,
- Offers alternative ways that these events could have gone more positively, or
- Suggests potential ways to educate all parties while endeavouring to "keep the peace".